08:37 <phlebas> I put what notes I took on the wiki: https://github.com/hpyproject/hpy/wiki/Dev-Call:-7-October-2021

08:37 <phlebas> please edit directly if I missed or misrepresented something :)

08:41 <Hodgestar> phlebas: Thank you!

08:42 <Hodgestar> I gave a lightning talk on HPy at PyConZA yesterday. It was a good exercise to go through, I think. I had to pair down "What is HPy and why are we doing it" to five minutes for an audience who largely know nothing about how Python is implemented.

08:45 <Hodgestar> Join us. :)

08:45 <Hodgestar> Summary: Python is slow (reference: whole lifetimes spent on Julia, PyPy, Cython, Numpy, CFFI, Cinder, Unladen Swallow, GraalPython, ...). Many people failed to make it faster despite a lot of work. What is in the way? C API is on of the things in the way. It's not really an API -- it exposes everything (object memory layouts and lifetimes). HPy's plan is simple -- don't expose those things. We have already started and things are going really well.

09:00 <vstinner> Hodgestar: nice. do you have slides?

09:04 <vstinner> about "Dev Call: 7 October 2021", I proposed to add an API to get a "PyObject**" view to replace PySequenceFast: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/632CV42376SWVYAZTHG4ROOV2HRHOVZ7/

09:08 <vstinner> (see also https://bugs.python.org/issue41078 )

09:08 <vstinner> in short, no consensus was found and the situation is still stuck :-p

09:42 <Hodgestar> vstinner: I do -- I should just put them somewhere accessible.

09:44 <vstinner> Hodgestar: i'm curious to read them once they will be online ;-)