01:02 <cyborg_ar> micropython is surprisingly capable and useful on modern micros

01:03 <cyborg_ar> tell me 10 years ago that you're gonna run python on a $5 microcontroller board and i'd look at you like you had 3 heads

01:04 <SnoopJ> it's a nice implementation to read as well

01:04 <SnoopJ> um, modulo "I am reading C"

01:04 <cyborg_ar> well yes

01:05 <cyborg_ar> c can be occasionally fun to write

01:05 <d1b2> <Darius> I found micropython very useful for prototyping while talking to an LCD panel

01:05 <d1b2> <Darius> much tighter code/test loop

01:05 <cyborg_ar> yes!

01:06 <cyborg_ar> it is frickin amazing for board bringup type of crap

01:06 <cyborg_ar> now im biased towards micros that are capable of running micropython when designing a microcontroller board

01:09 <SnoopJ> I'm not embedded experienced, but I had a great time writing some e-ink driver code with it, and I was impressed when I looked at the guts to see what it would take to make a slightly more specific port of the runtime (beyond just the micro in question)

01:10 <SnoopJ> 🐍 📈

01:12 <whitequark> micropython is pretty okay

01:12 <whitequark> you wouldn't necessarily think it is, but it is!

01:13 <SnoopJ> seems like there's good symbiosis with adafruit's fork, too

01:31 <cyborg_ar> Yeah it is pretty ok for what i would use arduino in 2009

07:40 <_whitenotifier> [glasgow] andresmanelli opened issue #294: Installing with Python 3.10 - https://github.com/GlasgowEmbedded/glasgow/issues/294

12:42 <icb> Micropython is everything Arduino wanted to be, without the burden of being C++ in a trench coat

14:52 <d1b2> <TomKeddie> LOL, best description of the Arduino dev env I've seen.

14:53 <d1b2> <Perigoso> a trench coat with an opaque, non-removable face-shield

17:13 <_whitenotifier> [glasgow] whitequark commented on issue #294: Installing with Python 3.10 - https://github.com/GlasgowEmbedded/glasgow/issues/294#issuecomment-1315626329

17:43 <SnoopJ> That sounds like a misbehaving integration frontend since the 4.0.0s available are pre-releases

19:22 <cyborg_ar> lol man, i love python

19:22 <cyborg_ar> i hate pip/pypi with seething passion

19:22 <cyborg_ar> it's like replaying all the mistakes of npm, just slower

19:24 <whitequark> pip's getting better though

19:29 <SnoopJ> FWIW I tried to reproduce that with latest pip and could not, so I suspect it's some other frontend?

19:29 <SnoopJ> (I confess that I am an ardent pip-defender though, I like pip)

19:47 <ebb> Yeah, pip install --pre will exhibit the observed behaviour

19:55 <whitequark> that seems like we need a <4.0.0 constraint?

20:03 <SnoopJ> that seems like a better fix than the one proposed in that issue yea

22:49 <d1b2> <Attie> following on from MicroPython talk, I cam across this earlier today... others may be interested: https://github.com/BrianPugh/belay

22:49 <d1b2> <Attie> *came

23:50 <d1b2> <Darius> looks pretty neat