00:10 <d1b2> <Ben> I did not expect my question to result in this, but thank you for the update 🙂

00:10 <d1b2> <Ben> Certainly not urgent, I had honestly kind of forgotten until I looked at Crowdsupply recently but I would love to get it too

00:19 <d1b2> <bob_twinkles> Oh it's the 7310 that's the problem, not so much the 73312. I misread the update

01:01 <lethalbit> i feel bad for having a pile of revC1's sitting around waiting to be assembled while esden et. al. have to wait for parts etc

01:13 <d1b2> <bob_twinkles> Unless you have enough to build 2000 I don't think yours are causing any problems =)

01:14 <lethalbit> yeah, and i mean i sourced all the parts ages ago before the shortage hit, so

01:14 <lethalbit> just been sittitng on the parts

01:52 <d1b2> <Perigoso> Same here, have parts for 6, got 2 assembled but have a couple issue like a couple bad ios

03:23 <whitequark> trilateral: the kind of behavior you're showing is not acceptable and I would rather just not have you around at all if you insist on continuing it

09:29 <ar> just wondering, how much more expensive are the scalper prices for blocker parts?

09:29 <ar> (also, yes, i would gladly tell the car industry to stop producing cars if it was in my power ;) )

09:51 <d1b2> <bob_twinkles> IIRC from the update, ~10x

09:51 <d1b2> <bob_twinkles> $x.00 instead of $0.x0

10:00 <d1b2> <Attie> it can be more than that, but also, A) some "distributors" will claim stock just to get an order placed, and B) there is no guarantee you'll actually receive any parts / genuine parts... - I don't know how prevalent this is, but I've "heard stories"

13:38 <icb_> There's definitely a lot of "ghost" stock being advertised. Less scrupulous vendors will list stock that they see advertised at a competitor, hoping that if someone orders it, they can buy it cheaper from someone else, and make money on the arbitrage. When you have enough vendors doing that, they start making up stock that doesn't actually exist anywhere.

13:40 <d1b2> <Attie> gah, that's frustrating

13:42 <icb_> Vendor A has 100 of a part. Vendor B sees that and lists that they have 100 at 1.05x the price. Vendor C now sees that there are 200 parts available, and lists it at 1.1x the price... Repeat until that 100 parts becomes thousands of parts that don't exist.

13:46 <icb> More reputable vendors will list "marketplace products" like Dig-Key does, but even that has similar problems. If two vendors both list those "marketplace products", that real stock can still appear to be more than really exists

13:51 <icb> A long time ago, companies like Commodore would build a board without having all of the components on hand, and fit a DIP socket for the parts that were missing. That let them just insert the missing chips later, for a slightly higher BOM cost including sockets. That doesn't really work with modern parts.

13:52 <hell> I know there's ways to "socket" BGA chips, but they're pretty expensive

13:53 <icb> Expensive, and much larger than the chip itself

14:02 <hell> yep, it's only used for very specific use-cases, such as silicon validation. I've seen this on Intel reference boards, so that the BGA chips can be replaced with (relative) ease: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/6993/DSC_0343.jpg