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<susam> Good morning, everyone!
<beach> Hello susam.
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<flip214> etimmons: dot can export JSON (2 variants), that is more or less sane to parse
<contrapunctus> Is CLOSOS really pronounced "colossus"? I had been reading it as "close oh ess" all this while 😶
<beach> I think it should be pronounced colossus, but perhaps without so much emphasis on the first `o'.
<beach> But you can pronounce it however you like. :) I can't hear you anyway.
<moon-child> I pronounce it closs ose
<moon-child> (or, would pronounce it)
<splittist> schloss-oze
<Nilby> クラスーアス or コロスーオス ?
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<phoe> personally I pronounce it "the object system"
<aeth> clearly it's See low so ess
<White_Flame> phoe: +OS
<aeth> White_Flame: the final S is silent because it's French
<flip214> with a silent "s" I'd mix it up (verbally) with clouseau
<beach> Totally different vowel sounds.
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<flip214> beach: I know; I'm better at hearing technical sounds (unexpected engine noises) than understanding language ;/
<beach> I take your word for it.
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<lukego> hey anyone have a trick for telling FORMAT to insert enough spaces to put me on column 30 ?
<lukego> (I mean taking into account the current state of the stream e.g. partially written line done elsewhere)
<lukego> maybe I'm asking if the column position of a stream is available :)
<phoe> clhs ~t
<lukego> thanks phoe !
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<pjb> lukego: (search "bar" (format nil "foo ~30Tbar")) #| --> 30 |#
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<pfdietz> Is this channel being logged somewhere now?
<Lycurgus> probably not publicly
<pfdietz> Cool, ty
* Lycurgus hadn looked there since the split
<pfdietz> (looks at logs) "weird how #zig got seized... and that channel moved within the first 12 hours of libera going up i think"
<pfdietz> So, move #zig for great justice?
<Nilby> Somebody set up us the bomb.
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<jcowan> I say (or would say, I haven't discussed it viva voce with anyone), as "see loss oh ess".
<jcowan> s/as //
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<etimmons> flip214: I totally missed the JSON outputs, thanks!
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<jasom> Just to add fuel to the fire, I pronounce it "see-loss-oh-ess"
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<jackdaniel> I know how to pronounce clososososos, I just don't know when to stop
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<aeth> now this is channel #5 on my IRC client... I guess this is the new #lisp
<kayprish> how so?
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<aeth> a lot of people basically never change their IRC channels for years/decades... myself included, I guess
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<jackdaniel> indeed, I've moved windows yesterday to match my old setting
<jackdaniel> it is easier to associate constant window numbers with channels
<jackdaniel> (i.e in irssi)
<kayprish> ohhhh, now i get itr
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<aeth> the lower ones basically never change for me and are almost all Lisp related at this point because when they do change they change in favor of Lisp
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<didi> What should I use to parse jsons?
<tux0r> despair.
<didi> ಠ_ಠ
<Demosthenex> tux0r: not as bad as xml, though much looser in syntax ;]
<didi> yitzi: Thank you.
<yitzi> Also, I have a library https://github.com/yitzchak/shasht
<Nilby> didi: I like jsown, but I've also used cl-json
<didi> yitzi: Cool. I'll check it out.
<yitzi> And there is a new one jzon, not on quicklisp yet. https://github.com/Zulu-Inuoe/jzon
<didi> Nilby: Thanks.
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<Shinmera> "sexp" can mean many things, there isn't even a standard for it. Hardly sane.
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<Nilby> Shinmera: offtopic, but I'm really liking the soundtrack on your "Catherine character design" livestream
<Nilby> and it's a healthy 3hrs :)
<Shinmera> Ah, that's Furi first and then Mirror's Edge Catalyst.
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<Nilby> nice, thanks!
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<pfdietz> didi: jsown is quite fast, I've found.
<didi> pfdietz: Thanks.
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<pfdietz> Significantly faster than cl-json. It helped to customize the string => keyword mapping for the case I was looking at, though.
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<didi> Nice. It is fast. That's what I was looking for: fast decoding.
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<Josh_2> Hi, forgot we swapped rooms
<Josh_2> where can I find CL devs to do odd jobs? paid ofc
<tux0r> all CL devs do odd jobs (write CL)
<Josh_2> well
<Shinmera> I presume for the right price you could already have found people :)
<mrcom> Josh_2: It would be nice if there was a blog tied into Planet Lisp.
<Josh_2> Well this is the first time I've even tested the water Shinmera
<Josh_2> mrcom: a blog for what? To say that I might want to hire someone?
<mrcom> Why don't you post a couple of lines describing, with some kind of payment range.
<Josh_2> ah I see
<Josh_2> Yeh I could do that
<mrcom> Josh_2: I was thinking of a more general bulletin board. Short messages with a bit of lifetime, a bit more sticky than an IRC post.
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<Josh_2> true, good idea
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<Josh_2> How do I get my blog into planet lisp?
<mrcom> Email to xach@xach.com.
<Josh_2> okay
<mrcom> Xach: What would you think about a bot that collected tagged IRC messages, added them to a bulletin-board blog, which then went to Planet Lisp?
<Shinmera> sounds ripe for spam or accidental posting, etc. IRC is a bad authoring protocol, since you can't even edit.
<mrcom> Xach: something along lines of "bbot: expire-in 1 week; I've got 5 free t-shirts with funny CL quote. Contact me on #commonlisp if interested."
<mrcom> Shinmera: Yeah, was thinking about that.
<Shinmera> there's other options for stuff like that, surely.
<mrcom> All ears :)
<Shinmera> could even just use a github repo with issue tickets or something.
<Josh_2> ^
<mrcom> Interesting thought, but seems even harder to moderate.
<Shinmera> far less interesting for us programmers, but far bigger of a problem than how to author this stuff is how to get people to even see things.
<Shinmera> most of these things are just not gonna attract anyone because nobody knows about it unless you put a lot of boring work into it to make it known.
<Josh_2> Fortunately for me I only need CL devs to see it
<mrcom> Don't have a general solution. Craigslist or something, maybe. Was thinking about a more targeted solution for Lisp etc. community.
<Shinmera> the "lisp community" is not much of a community and more of a loosely tied together global interest group with no real way of reaching everyone.
<Shinmera> If you mean "#commonlisp participants" then just make a paste for the details and post about it here. done.
<mrcom> Problem with just a plain IRC post is that it's very ephemeral. Pretty close to real-time only. I wouldn't think people dig through logs unless looking for something specific.
<Shinmera> There is this https://lispjobs.wordpress.com which is the closest to an existing job board.
<Shinmera> but as you can see it doesn't get updated much.
<Josh_2> hasnt been updated with jobs that have been around, so I'd assume thats dead
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<mrcom> Josh_2: BTW, here's Zach's page discussing getting added to his feed: http://planet.lisp.org/about.html
<Shinmera> mrcom: problem with anything else is getting people to even see it at all.
<mrcom> That's why I was thinking about stickyish IRC posts and Planet Lisp.
<mrcom> A currated list of interesting IRC messages, posted regularly to PL would be kind of nice, but that's a lot of work...
<Shinmera> reaching people is a lot of work no matter what.
<Shinmera> just make the paste and post it in places.
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<Josh_2> Yes I might just do that
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