01:08 <zmatt> set_: rcn has built ubuntu images since ancient times... but they've always been unsupported

01:08 <zmatt> TuoDrable: why do you specifically need ubuntu? for most purposes there's not much difference between ubuntu and debian

01:43 <set_> Oh.

01:43 <set_> I thought he stopped at some point and just restarted doing it.

02:28 <set_> Hello...

02:29 <set_> I know it is too late to reply tonight. So, no fuss. But! Has anyone used the edgeai-tidl-tools on the BBAI-64 yet?

02:30 <set_> The reason I ask are these ideas...

02:30 <set_> 1. On the AI-64, would I install and use the AI-64 for this lib. or port my findings to the AI-64 from a known Linux host?

02:31 <set_> 2. Also, once ported, is it for benchmarking or just for testing the processor cores for future use in another build/board?

02:32 <set_> I feel like the BBB.io boards are for education, right, and also learning how to use specific processors from specific vendors.

02:32 <set_> Okay...that is all for now.

02:39 <set_> I just want to make sure I understand. I do not want to keep harassing people b/c of my lack of understanding.

08:48 <TuoDrable> zmatt: yes, I saw it in the builder, there is not much diffrence. I am still figuring some things out, no worries

08:56 <TuoDrable> set_: most embedded boards, like the AI-64, only do inference. So is your question that you would do training on it?

08:56 <TuoDrable> if I look at the example here: https://github.com/beagleboard/cloud9-examples/blob/v2020.01/BeagleBone/AI/tidl/classification.tidl.cpp

08:56 <TuoDrable> it just loads the trained model and classifies the streamed frames based on that model

08:58 <TuoDrable> They have a user guide on how to transform TensorFlow models to TIDL ones

08:58 <TuoDrable> https://software-dl.ti.com/jacinto7/esd/processor-sdk-rtos-jacinto7/06_01_01_12/exports/docs/tidl_j7_01_00_01_00/ti_dl/docs/user_guide_html/md_tidl_user_model_deployment.html

08:59 <TuoDrable> for your second question: we ship Beaglebones in our products (and also create custom boards based on the same processor)

09:00 <TuoDrable> so they are not just education

09:00 <set_> Right...training.

09:01 <set_> Nice. Thank you.

09:02 <set_> TuoDrable: Right...the second part to the answer is what I was after. I think most of the BBB and related boards are dedicated to precise usage for learning and education. Since the beagleboard.org people change their way of doing things, one would really have to make their own board w/ the same processor to do what they desire.

09:07 <TuoDrable> well there are advantages of using a board like the BBB as a base board, which are very similar to using SOM (System on Module = CPU board separate from IO board, with a standardised connector)

09:07 <TuoDrable> in classic SOM, you are free to use any processor in the future without changing your IO board, so you can have a product lifecycle of 20 years or more without spending much R&D

09:08 <TuoDrable> in the case of beaglebone, you are constrained to the BBB headers

09:08 <TuoDrable> however, given the large community of BBB, similar to the raspberry pi, there is going to be a lot of demand, precisely because the big community

09:09 <TuoDrable> creating a custom board for us was primarily cost

09:09 <TuoDrable> we could ship a cheaper variant of AM3358, the 300 MHz AM3352

09:10 <TuoDrable> which is advantagous for large volume products

09:10 <TuoDrable> but for everything low volume, it is for us more cost-friendly to just use the BBB as a CPU module

09:16 <set_> TuoDrable: But...

09:17 <set_> The .org at BBB.io has their own way of doing things. Do you just bypass their recommended versioning and images?

09:17 <set_> It seems a bit impossible at times, i.e. hence my questioning.

09:18 <set_> Updates and upgrades are awesome and useful, they provide newer security features, and people just like new stuff in general.

09:19 <set_> But...it is the fact that using a BBB in production is not sufficient to me. For the .org, yes. It makes complete sense.

09:20 <set_> For me, not so much. I like using the boards to learn. 1. For the day I can do something w/ one of those chips on my own board. 2.

09:20 <set_> Blah.