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<mcfrisk>
sigh, devshell is becoming quite useless when also "less" is killed by pseudo
<RP>
mcfrisk: I did work on a "resync" type command for pseudo a while back, the idea being to bring psuedo's database and the disk back in sync
<RP>
mcfrisk: in theory my thinking was we could run this at pseudo server init time to avoid a certain class of issues
<mcfrisk>
inode mismatch, path mismatch. triggered by any tools which read/write to $HOME and are used inside and outside of devshell.
<mcfrisk>
once there is one path mismatch, then anything can trigger inode mismatch.
<mcfrisk>
any tool with GNU readline support will start failing
<RP>
mcfrisk: $HOME isn't covered by pseudo, the problem is likely inode reuse for things deleted in the directories actually monitored
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<mcfrisk>
RP: $HOME is covered by pseudo. "inode mismatch: '/home/mcfrisk/.viminfo' ino 33270730 in db, 33269736 in request.", "inode mismatch: '/home/mcfrisk/.lesshst' ino 33270625 in db, 33270730 in request."
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<rburton>
huh
<rburton>
mcfrisk: add HOME to PSEUDO_IGNORE_PATHS
<rburton>
no that won't work
<rburton>
this is why that option should be opt-in not opt-out
<RP>
rburton: why wouldn't adding home work?
<rburton>
wouldn't it then ignore _all_ of home, but if your build is under home...
<RP>
rburton: ah, if the build is under home that would be, problematic.
<RP>
rburton: it should be opt in, I think we even have PoC for that somewhere. Just time...
<rburton>
I wonder if adding ${HOME}/.* would work
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<RP>
mcfrisk: I was thinking it was ignored but we couldn't for the reason ross mentioned
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* paulg
used to use "devshell" because I wasn't smart enough to figure out anything else (approx 2y ago)
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<mcfrisk>
I can be stupid, sure, but for debugging local build failures I've always used devshell since that allows me to inspect code after all patches have been applied and I can also run do_configure and do_compile tasks manually, possibly with hacks/workarounds in place in sources or in build scripts
<paulg>
oh, don't take it the wrong way. No scorn intended. I'm a kernel guy. Only reason I stopped using devshell was 'cause I retired from working on userspace.
<paulg>
I can't speak to "now", but it used to be a quick way to "see" what bitbake saw.
<paulg>
I used it a bunch.
<paulg>
Would be a shame if it suffered bitrot.
<mcfrisk>
kernel and other shared-workdir recipes are a bit trickier, but in the end work the same way, though the non-standard kernel tasks are a bit annoying to call manually when refactoring things
<paulg>
I used to use whatever compiler (x86) was on the ubuntu turd I happened to be on in an attempt to reproduce whatever turd RP pointed me at, but when that failed, I'd use devshell as a quick way to get to sysroot/toolchain. And then just build a whole new kernel on a completely different baseline within the devshell.
<paulg>
I'm sure it was never designed for that, but it worked pretty damn good!
<RP>
paulg: it was intended to do that kind of thing
<mcfrisk>
I need access to the exact build env with complex dependencies, for any SW component. right now edk2-firmware...
<paulg>
But of course, being me, I'd piss and moan because tab completion didn't quite work.
<paulg>
RP, well there you go. For once in my life I was doing sth within spec, and not colouring outside the lines...
<RP>
paulg: you complained? Its like rburton saying he hates something. He hates everything :)
<rburton>
that's not true! i love pizza.
<mcfrisk>
also with pineapple?
<RP>
rburton: even with pineapple? :)
<RP>
mcfrisk: haha
<RP>
rburton: I guess not quite everything. Just software
<rburton>
oh yeah all software is terrible ;)
<paulg>
I wasn't sure that I wasn't the Mikey from the 1970-s era Life cereal ad until I was an adult...
<paulg>
rburton, if you've ever had to do IT support for family/friends - then yea "all software is terrible"...
<paulg>
Such a thankless task. It is YOUR FAULT that some cable PVR is running 2008 firmware written by a bunch of drunk monkeys.
<paulg>
Frustration brings out the worst in people...
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<tgamblin>
rburton: I feel like that's the free space on a bingo card - when aliens make first contact, they'll probably bring pizza as a sign of friendship
* paulg
wonders who was up at 2am watching sci-fi
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<RP>
paulg: I suspect we all get to do that tech support
<paulg>
I don't remember that on the high school career guidance councillor check list...
<paulg>
(okay, maybe 'cause I didn't go)
<paulg>
Ah well, I complain - but what wouldn't you do for family?
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<rburton>
i made my father buy an imac and external storage for time machine specifically to reduce tech support, it worked a treat!
<paulg>
rburton, I love my brother to death, but I was so glad when he moved from android to iPhone.
<RP>
hmm, qemu 10 changes look painful :(
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<rburton>
why am i not surprised
<leon-anavi>
khem, re: meta-raspberrypi. Sorry for bothering you. It seems that you approved the pull request but not the GitHub workflows. There is still a note: "3 workflows awaiting approval". Could you please have a look?
<paulg>
I don't want to hear about any qemu ppc 8250 serial issues!
<RP>
paulg: I never said a word
<paulg>
RP -- and I thank you for it.
<fray>
it's just an 8250, how hard can it be? ;)
<paulg>
I know fray is jerking my chain, 'cause I do that to him. But raise your hand if you've ever had to prove to a SoC vendor that their 8250/16550 has "new warts"...
<fray>
<raises hand>
<RP>
I've seen the kernel code, sadly
<fray>
(first time I encountered a serial port issue was when I was about 10 years old. Apple //c, damned thing wouldn't get over 1200 bps reliably)
<paulg>
RP, the 40 years of work-a-rounds is depressing.
<fray>
....10 years later, working on an ISA board. If you didn't initialize it ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY, same type of behavior. Apparently some sort of undocumented errata that board configuration order mattered.
<fray>
to be honest though, don't know that either was an 8250 (or similar)
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<paulg>
back in the early/mid 1990s I was fighting with the 8250/16550 network equivalent - the NatSemi 8390 and all the flawed clones it spawned.
<paulg>
That was an eye-opener!
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<fray>
ya this was an early 90's 'octopus' card I aquired about 95.. the driver was 'touchy', when it worked it was great.. when it wasn't it requires some hand-holding..
<fray>
was useful for a while to have 16 fullsize DB25 dangling off a card
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<paulg>
fray running a 1990 BBS porn server on a modem pool... ;-P
<fray>
ha! no it was actually for terminals, I had 2 or 3 terminals set plus a modem to a Linux box
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<paulg>
sure, sure...
<paulg>
everybody needs 16 serial ports back in 1995.
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<khem>
RP:I sent a minor version update for clang which should be applied on top of current merge patch, I have prefixed subject with with master-next
<khem>
leon-anavi:ok thanks
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<leon-anavi>
thank you
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<RP>
khem: ok, thanks. There is a concern that the current patches leave a lot of TOOLCHAIN variable settings in the new recipes. I'm a little bit wary about adding that when we haven't decided how this is going to work yet :/
<khem>
RP: it is inert unless meta-clang is enabled we can change it in phase2, It makes recipes wholly reside in core so makes my headache less
<khem>
I would like to avoid carrying bbappends, they are errorprone, but I can see if I can somehow pack it into nonclangable.inc
<khem>
removing recipes completely from meta-clang is a good thing I would like to keep it this way
<khem>
removed confusion for folks
<RP>
khem: right, I'm just worried this is going to get used against me in due course. I can see both sides to this
<khem>
I think I can move it into nonclangable.inc perhaps if that makes it easier for you
<khem>
looking at its use, seems doable
<khem>
meta-clang is broken for so long, I am getting lot of questions, so am interested in getting it through before people start doubting the future of clang support in OE more
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<khem>
RP: I have send a v6 with TOOLCHAIN removed and clang 20.1.3 update added to series
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<RP>
khem: thanks!
<khem>
RP:there might be some minor adjustments I might need eventually to adjust meta-clang due to this but it should be incremental
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<khem>
RP:sent another patch which should fix meta-clang test for poky underway
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<khem>
RP: combined with one last patch I think meta-clang is happy as well