05:06 <isd> Looks like the latest CI error is because some meteor server's cert is expired: https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/pull/3572/checks?check_run_id=3811089104#step:7:33

05:07 <isd> Hm, but my browser seems happy with it.

05:12 <isd> I bet this is related: https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2021/09/13/LetsEncryptRootCertExpire/

21:53 <isd> I decided to take a stab at porting gotify; WIP is here: https://github.com/zenhack/sandstorm-gotify. Not sure if I'll stick with it; supposedly element is working on integration with it so I may be more motivated once that actually exists. Status: UI boots up, but it's got its own auth stuff that needs integrating.

22:00 <isd> Auth integration is this really common sticking point with porting apps, and I wish we had a more turn-key way to deal with it.

22:01 <ocdtrekkie> Cloudron implemented LDAP for apps to use.

22:01 <ocdtrekkie> Would maybe help for at least enterprise apps with auth systems already.

22:02 <ocdtrekkie> But bypassing login screens and stuff is probably still a pain.

22:03 <isd> That works well enough for apps that have gone to the trouble to do LDAP integration...

22:04 <ocdtrekkie> Yeah, as I said that'd be an extra path but probably not a solution for all.

22:04 <isd> I mean in theory we have a solution that's at least O(num frameworks) isntead of O(num apps), but it's still a lot.

22:04 <isd> (i.e. write auth plugins for all the popular frameworks)

22:05 <isd> (Though there's a long tail, so that still won't really save you much on some apps)

23:44 <isd> Something I am more likely to finish soon: https://github.com/zenhack/sandstorm-hedgedoc

23:44 <isd> (Updated CodiMD package; they've changed the name).

23:44 <ocdtrekkie> I had a hard time figuring out what Gotify was.

23:45 <ocdtrekkie> Are you going the SQLite route with your package?

23:45 <isd> Yeah

23:45 <isd> But yeah, I assume the etymology is go + notify

23:46 <isd> Discovered it via: https://lobste.rs/s/jwhlcx/dear_privacy_aware_android_app_devs

23:46 <ocdtrekkie> I assume we'll probably end up just having a third CodiMD based Sandstorm app, but it'd be nice to have a modern SQLite backed one.

23:47 <isd> Yeah, I'm just going to do a new app called HedgeDoc.

23:49 <isd> It was vaguely demoralizing when cwebber suggested hedgedoc for ocapn meeting minutes, and I was like "we have an unbelievably out of date package for that!" and folks opted for using the SaaS version...

23:50 <ocdtrekkie> Ouch, yeah

23:50 <isd> It's a nice app, I just started using it with a client, and we should have an up to date package.

23:50 <ocdtrekkie> There's client apps for it?

23:50 <ocdtrekkie> I'm guessing that wouldn't be single document grains though, right?

23:51 <isd> "Client" in this case meaning "someone who is paying me to do stuff for them" rather than "a program that talks to a network server"

23:51 <isd> :P

23:52 <ocdtrekkie> English language ruins everything.

23:52 <ocdtrekkie> Sounds good though, maybe we can get ocapn to switch to Sandstorm once you're done.

23:53 <isd> Once upon a time I was working on Some Internal Business App that had 'Clients' in the sense I just used it intermingled with http client code... it got very confusing, and we settled on just banning unqualified use of the work "client" entirely.