20:30 <rickroll> exit

20:30 <rickroll> \q

20:30 <rickroll> quit

21:01 <nakilon> "Since 2005, Microsoft has taken the graphics system out of Windows' kernel." -- oh that's probably why Windows started looking so bad and why you became supposed to use frameworks mostly born dead like Shoes and/or with no support like wx

21:02 <nakilon> maybe my understanding isn't that deep to make conclusions correctly though but it's what it feels like to me

23:20 <nakilon> I could fake a text editing component in ruby2d but then another part of my app is supposed to show a lot of output data and it would need scrolling and ruby2d can't scroll

23:20 <nakilon> *doesn't have "containers" with scrolling