20:10 <jao> wow. i was just trying to login to the discord thing (to see how it looks and whether i could bridge it to irc), and was asked to create an account, give a telephone number and send an sms verification code, then give an email and click a verification link, then introduce a password 3 times (all that with repeated "i'm not a robot" verification captchas in between, 4 of them) and then, finally, i've been just sent an email tel

20:10 <jao> that my account is disabled because "i've violated dicord's ToS"!!!????

20:12 <jao> i'm of course never getting near a discord server again :)

20:32 <williewillus> yup, the amount of information locked up in closed Discord servers (and Slack) is insane

20:32 <williewillus> or servers that have time limits before you can talk

20:33 <williewillus> can't join a guild, quickly ask a question, then leave, the service wants you to stay and idle

20:33 <williewillus> so they make joining hell

20:33 <williewillus> That's why I completely agree with this article https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS.html

20:34 <williewillus> I don't agree with Drew Devault on everything but his stance on using only foss services to host foss projects is a major one

21:21 <jao> yes, it makes perfect sense to me. in a way, i'm grateful discord treated me in that awful way, i was being weak :)

21:24 <jao> it's a pity the racket community has locked itself in those walled gardens, at least from my point of view. out of my reach. sigh.

21:27 <williewillus> i mean this place exists. There was talk of bridging general on discord here but not sure what happened to those discussions

21:27 <williewillus> also Discourse at least is foss

21:30 <jao> unfortunately, i also dislike discourse for other reasons (i don't want to live in a browser). but at least it has that "mailing list mode" that makes it passable, and even marginally better than a googlegroup full of spam. i can live with that. a bridge would be great, although i'm suspecting discord will be as unfriendly to it as slack is.

22:38 <williewillus> it should be fine, the ocaml irc is also bridged to its discord's general channel

22:38 <williewillus> which is honestly as good as it'll get nowadays

22:54 <jao> well, if someone on the discord side reads this, here's my vote for having the same in this channel, fwiw