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<samph> evdubs: most logging stuff I have seen with Racket (aside from the internal logging api) is roll your own. I also would be interested in useful addons like log rolling, timestamps, and other stuff.
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<williewillus> i mean usually your system manager should do that stuff for you
<williewillus> systemd on linux or syslog on openbsd
<williewillus> imo app-level logging frameworks should be dead simple
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<samph> It doesn't hurt to have both.
<samph> In the most production Racket app I have it runs in docker and I just let docker handle all of that.
<samph> But I sometimes need something outside of the system logger.
<samph> Also one reason that application logging exists is because (pre journald) syslog is not very good.
<williewillus> in what ways?
<samph> I haven't fully dived into journald from the log producer standpoint yet.
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<samph> I should say syslog in practice.
<samph> Everyone would just drop everything into syslog, and no one would configure it differently. So all of the system logs are mixed in with all of the application logs.
<samph> Also because syslog "belongs" to the OS it's configuration would be in a different place than the application configuration.
<williewillus> yeah it's a matter of taste I guess. imo applications should just do the simple thing and the platform should handle aggregating and rotating logs. Matches the unix philosophy
<williewillus> and if app-level was simpler we wouldn't have the fun vuln from last week
<samph> That was from the logging library though, we still need calls that say "send this data out to the logging frobwiz"
<samph> Rather from the "front end" of the logging library.
<williewillus> yeah but like, the app level library should literally just be "take a string and put it somewhere else, possibly filtering by log level"
<williewillus> that log4j feature should not have even existed, much less turned on by default
<samph> Yeah it was like if someone thought it was a good idea that sprintf should be able to do network calls
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