#pypy on 2021-07-04 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

2021-05-30 17:38 cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: #pypy PyPy, the flexible snake https://pypy.org | IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end and https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/pypy | insert pithy quote here

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02:59 <Lightsword> are there any pre-built debug pypy builds for OSX?

03:01 <Lightsword> the build instructions seem broken, https://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/build.html#making-a-debug-build-of-pypy the make file targets lldebug and lldebug0 don't seem to actually exist

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08:12 <LarstiQ> Lightsword: which Makefile are you checking that in?

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11:30 <Lightsword> LarstiQ, the one in tree I guess

11:32 <mattip> Lightsword: you need to run a regular translation https://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/build.html#run-the-translation

11:33 <mattip> which at the end (about 30 minutes) creates a Makefile

11:34 <Lightsword> is that different from this makefile? https://foss.heptapod.net/pypy/pypy/-/blob/branch/default/Makefile

11:35 <mattip> yes

11:37 <mattip> we don't regularily use that Makefile, it is there for distro builders, so your mileage may vary

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11:37 <mattip> start at the link I posted and work down to where you found lldebug

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11:39 <mattip> Lightsword: the lldebug build usually is not very helpful, the RPython C-code takes some getting used to

11:40 <mattip> is something not working?

11:40 <Lightsword> what is recommended for debugging c extension memory errors?

11:43 <mattip> probably not an lldebug PyPy build unless you are pretty sure it is a PyPy bug (not usually the case)

11:44 <mattip> but maybe?

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11:45 <mattip> there are lots of stragegies, it depends on what memory error you are getting. Is it a segfault? A memory leak?

11:45 <mattip> does the code work on CPython?

11:46 <mattip> if the code works on CPython and fails on PyPy then please open an issue with some kind of reproducer

11:47 <mattip> https://foss.heptapod.net/pypy/pypy/-/issues

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15:06 <mattip> tracking down why scipy 1.7 crashes on PyPy

15:06 <mattip> https://github.com/conda-forge/scipy-feedstock/pull/169#issuecomment-865698279

15:07 <mattip> it seems the cythonized module differs in that we do not have a __doc__ key in the module __dict__

15:08 <mattip> I wonder if that is connected to the failure to call module.getitem(space, w_key) where key is __file__ ?

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16:34 <lesshaste> hash anyone considered using Robin Hood hashing https://programming.guide/robin-hood-hashing.html for the dicts?

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18:48 <amirouche> are you interested in programs that are faster with cpython than pypy latest release?

18:48 <amirouche> that are non trivial but still small.

18:53 <amirouche> never mind latest release fixed the issue.

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19:24 <arigato> lesshaste: as far as I can see, it would be hard to conserve insertion order with Robin Hood hashing

19:26 <arigato> Though maybe with a technique similar to the one we are using, on top of Robin Hood

19:27 <arigato> But then most of the benefits are lost anyway

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20:52 <mattip> weird. Adding lots of prints, it goes PyObject_GetItem -> space.getitem(w_obj, w_key) -> space.get_and_call_function(w_obj.__getitem__, w_obj, w_key) -> gateway fastcall_2()

20:53 <mattip> and then somehow escapes the execption catching and ends up returning NULL from PyObject_GetItem

20:59 <mattip> and then I get the "Fatal error calling PyErr_Fetch" result

21:39 <mattip> adding some Py_INCREF to the module or the module __dict__ did not help

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