06:50 <Hunar[m]> Can i use (doc) with PilBox pty? currently it says (w3m: Can't exec)

06:51 <abu[m]> Hi Hunar! Unfortunately there is no w3m on Android

06:52 <abu[m]> Could be installed, but needs a rebuild of the APK

06:52 <Hunar[m]> But can I e.x use vip or sonething else to view it?

06:52 <abu[m]> Yes, but onlt the HTML

06:53 <abu[m]> (vi "@doc/refX.html")

06:53 <abu[m]> Or use the "Browser" PilBox app

06:54 <abu[m]> But that's not as convenient when in PTY

06:56 <Hunar[m]> (vi "@doc/refX.html") is empty for me.. I wanted to simplify my procedure of looking up pilbox specific functions. Currently i (grep -R funName) in PilBox/assets/run/lib then look at source code

06:57 <Hunar[m]> On my computer, not in pilbox

06:58 <abu[m]> Oh, you are right! "@doc" is not included in PilBox

06:59 <abu[m]> To look up source code, you can call Vip directly

06:59 <abu[m]> (vi 'car) in PTY

07:00 <abu[m]> Then Shift-K to go down

07:00 <Hunar[m]> Aaaah, why did i forget about that :(

07:00 <Hunar[m]> Thanks :)

07:01 <abu[m]> ☺

09:03 <Hunar[m]> How does the (local) function work, i mean its parameters are outside.. And why it isnt used like (local *A *B)

09:04 <abu[m]> The symbols are not function parameters in the normal sense

09:04 <abu[m]> (local) uses (read)

09:04 <abu[m]> (local *A *B) would not work, because *A and *B are already *read* when the expression executes

09:05 <Hunar[m]> Ahaaa

09:05 <Hunar[m]> Great :) I understand now

09:05 <abu[m]> ☺

10:16 <Hunar[m]> Why doesn't this work (<h1> "center" (if T "Hi" "Bye"))

10:18 <abu[m]> The HTML functions use 'htPrin'. This means that (1) Atoms are evaluated and printed, and (2) expressions are just evaluated (and must thus print themselves)

10:18 <abu[m]> So (<h1> "cls" (prin (if ...

10:19 <Hunar[m]> Cool thanks :)

10:20 <abu[m]> Otherwise would be nesting things like (<p> ... (<span> ... difficult

15:54 <mgd> Hello. I've just started learning lisp and I've started with Common Lisp. What are the differences between pico lisp and something like SBCL? is picolisp a good place to learn from or should I start with common lisp?

15:55 <abu[m]> PicoLisp is very different from Common Lisp

15:56 <abu[m]> It is a lot simpler, and completely open, so you have access to the whole system at any moment

15:56 <mgd> Thanks, so would I be missing anything if I started from picolisp?

15:57 <abu[m]> But it *demands* that you understand what you are doing (though understanding is possible)

15:57 <abu[m]> yes, you miss a lot :)

15:57 <mgd> Also, are there any recommendations on an IDE or is Vim enough?

15:57 <abu[m]> It is very different

15:58 <abu[m]> PicoLisp comes with Vip, a simplified Vim

15:58 <abu[m]> Perhaps you start reading a little?

15:58 <abu[m]> E.g. https://picolisp-blog.hashnode.dev

15:58 <mgd> ok, I might stick with Common Lisp until I have a better understanding. I've been working with Java for years and dabbled with Clojure

15:58 <mgd> Yes, I had a look through that. Thank you though

15:59 <abu[m]> OK. Clojure again is different in another way

16:06 <abu[m]> In any case, just play around with all and have fun