06:49 <antto> karlp, because avarice was difficult to build when i needed it

06:49 <antto> too late now since i moved those projects to cortex-M

06:50 <antto> and ended up buying a whole atmel-ice which i should probably sell now

06:56 <antto> i do still have a bunch of xmegas so i might eventually try it

09:59 <karlp> I just apt-installed avarice and it worked when I last used it, but that was like 10 years ago :)

10:00 <Haohmaru> the point i think was that only a recently patched version had the xmega i needed

10:00 <Haohmaru> i forgot

10:02 <Haohmaru> cortex-M seems nice in terms of debugging, especially when a 14euro-ish debugger does the job and has a serial-over-USB on top

10:02 <Haohmaru> supposedly should work with any $vendor

10:07 <karlp> yeah, after getting used to swd, going back to avarice and simlar, or the lack thereof was hard.

10:08 <Haohmaru> xmega is still nice to use, it's IMO the best of the 8bit, cortex-M is nice after i wrote my own periph library

10:09 <Haohmaru> too many $vendors also has a downside that my lib currently is written for one vendor

10:09 <Haohmaru> but oh well, nothing's perfect

10:10 <Haohmaru> the datasheets are uglier, nothing so far beats the original xmega datasheets

10:18 <karlp> no datasheet is ever as good as your first datsheet....

10:21 <Haohmaru> wasn't my first datasheet at all

10:22 <Haohmaru> the first MCU datasheet was for the atmega2561, then i went thru a bunch of PICs (much vomit)

10:23 <Haohmaru> and i thought the atmega datasheet was nicer (and it is), then i found xmega, that was the best datasheet, then microsh*t bought it and re-stylized the datasheets to make them look like theirs (much vomit again)

10:25 <Haohmaru> the nice thing was that you have one "Manual" for the whole family that explains all peripherals in details <- this is all you need to write a periph library, and then each chip has a datasheet that just tells you how many of which peripherals you have, what signal goes on which pin, how to order, etc..

10:27 <Haohmaru> it's like it was written with a pinch of love ;P~