11:50 <jonpsy[m]> heisenbuug (Gopi M Tatiraju): Hey, have you applied for connect with google? Have you received any other emails from them after applying?

13:13 <jonpsy[m]> rcurtin: hey, do you use windows?

13:18 <rcurtin[m]> jonpsy no, that's part of why debugging Windows builds is so hard for me 😃

13:34 <jonpsy[m]> Ah, but I thought you were into gaming?

13:35 <jonpsy[m]> So, I recall stumbling upon your chat about hard disks

13:36 <rcurtin[m]> my main desktop does dual-boot, but every time I boot into Windows it's an awful experience and so these days I just look for games that run on Linux (which luckily is most of them now 😄)

13:37 <jonpsy[m]> haha, i see

13:37 <jonpsy[m]> jonpsy[m]: It's about my laptop. I notice a spike on hard disk usage every time I open an application, straight up 97%

13:38 <jonpsy[m]> although it dies down a while later, I don't notice that in other PC running Windows (atleast not to this extent)

13:40 <rcurtin[m]> I know it's not very helpful advice but my only thought is "use Linux"... one of the reasons I've had such bad experiences with Windows recently is that it does all kinds of stuff magically and under the hood and as a user it's really hard to figure out what's going on, and also to take control

13:40 <rcurtin[m]> there's no guarantee that Linux won't also do strange things like that, but at least it will be a little easier to figure out what is going on 😃

13:40 <jonpsy[m]> haha true

13:41 <jonpsy[m]> but the thing is, if it was Window's fault, then I should've experienced the same with other laptops which I don't

13:42 <jonpsy[m]> so, imagine your laptop semi-hang's everytime you open a new app

13:42 <rcurtin[m]> yeah, that could be a hardware issue, but it could also be some strange thing Windows is choosing to do

13:42 <jonpsy[m]> correct1

13:43 <jonpsy[m]> after some research, it was suggested that maybe a detoriating hardware could be the problem

13:43 <jonpsy[m]> s/after some research, it was suggested that maybe a detoriating hardware could be the problem/after some research, it was suggested that maybe a detoriating hard disk could be the problem/

13:43 <rcurtin[m]> I'm not sure what's available on Windows, but maybe with a livecd or something you can use smartmontools (e.g. `smartctl`) to test the hard drive

13:43 <rcurtin[m]> ha... "livecd"... I think I am dating myself here... I suppose now it would be "live usb" :)

13:44 <jonpsy[m]> jonpsy[m]: because i got this laptop rather cheap on 38k INR, while usually it costs somewher in 42-47k

13:44 <jonpsy[m]> and it was like this since I purchased this.

13:45 <rcurtin[m]> out of curiosity, did you reinstall Windows, or did it come with everything already set up?

13:45 <jonpsy[m]> all setup

13:45 <jonpsy[m]> but ive formatted it clean and re-installed windows about 3 times till now

13:46 <rcurtin[m]> ah, ok, so that at least rules out a bad configuration from the previous owner (or, it should rule that out, at least)

13:46 <jonpsy[m]> was i scammed of poor hard disk in the name of cheap price?

13:46 <jonpsy[m]> is what im thinking

13:47 <rcurtin[m]> possibly, but you should run some tests on it to try and learn more

13:47 <rcurtin[m]> I am not sure what the case is with modern laptops, but at least in the past it was not too much trouble to change a hard drive

13:48 <jonpsy[m]> do you think very long respond time, disk usage spike on opening applications can be due to cheap hard disk?

13:49 <jonpsy[m]> so, when i first boot windows. It takes ~2 minutes to even respond to my clicks.

13:49 <jonpsy[m]> and god forbid you open intenret browser during this 2 minute

13:50 <rcurtin[m]> ha, so that sounds like my most recent experience with Windows... the game "Divinity: Original Sin 2" does not run on Linux, so I booted up my Windows install on a brand new desktop with an M.2 drive that should be super, super fast

13:50 <rcurtin[m]> and... it acted like you just described

13:50 <rcurtin[m]> minutes to get to the login screen (vs. a few seconds with Linux)

13:51 <rcurtin[m]> after login, double-clicking the icon to start the game did nothing... for minutes and minutes

13:51 <rcurtin[m]> and loading the game could take anywhere between 3-10 minutes

13:51 <jonpsy[m]> True!

13:51 <jonpsy[m]> Out of curiousty, you'er using HDD or SSD on that laptop?

13:51 <rcurtin[m]> that was a desktop, and it's an SSD... hang on, let's see what transfer speeds are

13:53 <jonpsy[m]> are you sure its an SSD? I thought its an HDD problem. Also can you check the hard disk % when opening new apps

13:53 <rcurtin[m]> /dev/nvme1n1p2:

13:53 <rcurtin[m]> Timing cached reads: 26454 MB in 2.00 seconds = 13241.58 MB/sec

13:53 <rcurtin[m]> $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/nvme1n1p2

13:53 <rcurtin[m]> Timing buffered disk reads: 5904 MB in 3.00 seconds = 1967.60 MB/sec

13:53 <rcurtin[m]> I finished the game some months back, and I am not booting Windows again unless someone absolutely forces me to, it was so awful

13:53 <rcurtin[m]> during these moments after login where the system was unresponsive, I would try and get the task manager open and couldn't even do that

13:53 <jonpsy[m]> rcurtin[m]: for science!

13:54 <jonpsy[m]> haha

13:55 <jonpsy[m]> rcurtin[m]: same, I thought SSD would be the end-all solution for this. None of my friends who use SSD face anything remotely like this.

13:59 <rcurtin[m]> well, it at least wasn't for me. typical spinning-disk HDD speeds might be below 100 MB/sec, so one would think 2GB/s would be good enough for Windows, but apparently not...

14:00 <rcurtin[m]> in your case, it sounds like it might be worthwhile to gather more information about the disk itself and see if you can run any tests to determine if there are hardware issues

14:00 <rcurtin[m]> if it was Linux, I'd run a test like `smartctl -t long /dev/sdX` and wait a while to see the results and check `dmesg`, but I'm not sure what's available to do that on Windows

14:00 <jonpsy[m]> as you said, I don't face such problems in Linux

14:01 <jonpsy[m]> The lag's there, but not as pronounced as in Windows