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<another> elenril: Ah, yes. Lots of greek letters and some pictures. Approved. ;)
<another> Figure 3 would make for a nice desktop wallpaper
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<Lynne> Daemon404: it seems like skipping the algorithmic delay during seeking is not enough for aac-he
<Lynne> I still get a tiny amount of 0db white noise slipping through rarely even when skipping 5010 samples
<Lynne> do containers generally list a higher value for it?
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<Daemon404> Lynne, not sure. We could check an he-aac file made by apple/quicktime forbtye answer
<Daemon404> or maybe check fdk or qaac src for how they write itunes metadata
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<Lynne> qaac doesn't, IIRC
<Lynne> or it did, but it was weird, I'd have to check again
<Daemon404> i think apple will write an sgpd boz
<Daemon404> box*
<Daemon404> of course i dont own a mac. so.
<Daemon404> having such a file would also help me test the sgpd patch ill send today..
<Daemon404> all thebones i have are opus (made by my own muxer)
<Daemon404> or h264.
<Daemon404> from dolby...
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<galad> Daemon404: here's two file, exported using quicktime player on mac: https://subler.org/downloads/with-video.mov https://subler.org/downloads/only-audio.m4a
<galad> the first uses sgpd, the second the itunes metadata
<galad> it seems quicktime prefers the itunes metadata in audio only files
<Daemon404> galad, thanks!
<Daemon404> ill poke em when i get home
<JEEB> nice
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<elenril> \o/ isp fixed ipv6 finally
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<elenril> felt crippled for 5 days
<haasn> your ISP has working ipv6?
<haasn> how does it feel to be part of the first world?
<elenril> both of my isps do
<elenril> i had to give up fiber in one case
<elenril> but ipv6 is more important to me
<elenril> and they just upgraded my wireless to 200/200 Mbps, so that's resolved too
<elenril> but germany rates pretty high on google's ipv6 stats
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<haasn> I'm with vodafone, previously unitymedia, previously kabelbw (it got acquired by larger $corp twice, and each time turned more to shit)
<haasn> it's almost as if lack of genuine competition stifles a market
<elenril> 72% according to google
<elenril> .cz is just 25%
<elenril> don't you have small wireless isps?
<elenril> both me and my parents use one of those, and it's so much nicer
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<elenril> being able to email the actual network people is great
<another> dtag + vodafone seem to have ~70% marketshare
<haasn> wdym wireless isp?
<haasn> isp that rents cables from other company? or LTE/5G?
<elenril> my apartment has an antenna on the roof
<elenril> I don't know the exact technology, but it's not the cell network
<elenril> the thing they installed looked kinda like this
<elenril> my parents live in a smaller town and have a local isp who uses a mix of fiber and ptp wireless
<elenril> it's quite common in .cz
<haasn> funky
<haasn> well I was thinking about getting an unlimited 5G plan
<haasn> so I can have broadband everywhere
<haasn> + a home 5G router
<haasn> instead of paying for a cable connection at all
<haasn> but 1) they're still crazy expensive and 2) you're limited to one SIM card which sort of defeats the point
<BtbN> I don't consider any kind of wireless connection as stable/reliable enough for daily use
<haasn> if I'm paying for unlimited 5G I expect to be able to use it on _all_ my devices
<haasn> hence _unlimited
<elenril> BtbN: worksforme
<BtbN> If all you do is browse the web, maybe
<elenril> lol
<BtbN> But low latency and no package loss is kinda important
<elenril> your experience with wireless sounds 15 years out of date
<BtbN> I've had to deal with using my mobile data connection as fallback often enough to know it's not properly usable
<BtbN> the speed is entirely random, latency is something between 20-500ms, and there's always some package loss
<elenril> wireless does not mean cell network
<BtbN> Nothing else is left here that'd provide wirelsss internet
<elenril> yes, the cell network sucks for feeding a whole LAN
<haasn> starlink :^)
<BtbN> WiMax existed for a while, but then went under
<BtbN> I even consider just normal WLAN as not usable for a daily-use connection
<elenril> my latency to google is pretty much the same from my parents' fiber as from my apartments' wireless
<BtbN> There's almost 100 networks in range here. It can't even reliably play YouTube videos
<BtbN> 5GHz works a lot better, but a closed door stops it
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<elenril> again, ptp wireless is very much different
<Daemon404> galad, can it export HE?
<Daemon404> lc is exactly how i expect: 1024 samples of preroll
<Daemon404> and 2112 priming
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<haasn> why does the 6.1 release bump minor versions of all libraries again?
<haasn> shouldn't those versions be bumped by commits that actually change the API?
<galad> Daemon404: converted by apple compressor app: https://subler.org/downloads/with-video-he-aac.mov
<Daemon404> thanks!
<Daemon404> interesting
<Daemon404> for HE it is still 1024
<Daemon404> and packet sizes are 1024
<Daemon404> Lynne, ^
<haasn> oh, I see, the release is supposed to have a unique minor version
<haasn> it's bumped before *and* after
<JEEB> yea
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<galad> Daemon404: mmm other apple apps surely use 2048 packet size, let me try to compress it in another way
<Daemon404> galad, for HE?
<Daemon404> that would be interesting, since sgpd uses number of packets for roll distance
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<elenril> >Tolkien disliked the connection of chivalric romance with French culture: he expressed distaste for both its food and its language.
<j-b> lol
<galad> Music app seems to use 1024 too: https://subler.org/downloads/only-audio-he-aac.m4a
<Daemon404> the fdk file also uses 1024
<j-b> can I say that I hate AAC?
<Daemon404> yes
<another> free spech in sweden, so yes
<galad> this one is compressed using HandBrake and the Apple HE-AAC encoder, but I don't know if it's correct: https://subler.org/downloads/with-video-he-aac-handbrake.mp4
<Daemon404> that one has separate packet sizes or the first and last packet
<Daemon404> so that the sgpd can be a non-packet-size
<Daemon404> fun
<Daemon404> s/or/for
<Daemon404> pre-roll for that is 3120
<Daemon404> oh at timebase 90000
<Daemon404> er, no
<Daemon404> nvm
<Daemon404> it is 3120 samples.
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<Daemon404> (ignore everything i said above, it's 2048, i was looking at the wrong track)
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<JEEB> :)
<Daemon404> Lynne, what 'algorithmic delay' were you using for he-aac when seeking?
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<Daemon404> what am i even reading...
<courmisch> eww, the K230 has Live555 in its SDK
<kierank> courmisch: why does live555 still exist
<durandal_1707> Lynne: is using noise equalization iir filter (like ones used in room equalization) usable for denoising?
<ePirat> courmisch, whats K230?
<Lynne> Daemon404: 1024 + 3010
<Lynne> bcheng: sorry, I must have missed that
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<ePirat> uhmmmm…
<durandal_1707> microchip_: you smell like shit
<microchip_> oh yes! :D
<Lynne> durandal_1707: not sure, with room equalization you care about the phase of the signal, but with regular denoising, you don't
<durandal_1707> Lynne: iir filter is min-phase
<durandal_1707> with fixed log-spaced poles
<durandal_1707> sure its not adaptive iir, but better than nothing
<durandal_1707> in theory it should be better than FFT/FIR/wiener approach?
<durandal_1707> the iir filter follow closely smoothed magnitude response
<durandal_1707> in this case of captured noise
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<Daemon404> Lynne, oic
<Daemon404> hmm
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<Daemon404> guess i need to decipher itunes metadata
<ePirat> Daemon404 , need me to dump you anything?
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<Daemon404> ePirat, no but i need to find how to parse itunes metadata
<Daemon404> afaict there are 0 docs
<Daemon404> just lots of ad-hoc code
<Daemon404> that parsed one of the values and nothing lse
<Daemon404> else*
<ePirat> I remember once looking at their podcast chapter stuff years ago and it was very annoying to figure out…
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<galad> podcast chapter was the same old quicktime text track plus a reference if I remember correctly
<Lynne> durandal_1707: if your noise is constant on each frame, maybe, but otherwise, I think you should look into using a weiner filter, the boring, obvious choice
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<durandal_1707> Lynne: what wiener filter? the FFT/IIR or what?
<durandal_1707> found some FIR wiener and it does nothing
<courmisch> kierank: because nobody hired me to write a native RTSP client in VLC when the time was right - 15 years ago
<Lynne> durandal_1707: you can implement a weiner filter with an rdft+irdft
<durandal_1707> Lynne: isnt that using overlap/add/save and thus messes up phase
<Lynne> durandal_1707: overlap is added after denoising happens in the frequency domain
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<cone-073> ffmpeg Rémi Denis-Courmont master:424c8ceb08b1: lavc/huffyuvdsp: R-V V add_int16
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<JEEB> risc-v utvideo
<courmisch> I know you were desperately waiting for it
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<Sean_McG> \o/
<cone-073> ffmpeg Benjamin Cheng master:4536de376979: vulkan_h264: fix long-term ref handling
<cone-073> ffmpeg Lynne master:0e8abf26983a: bwdif_vulkan: fix artifacts on vulkan decode images
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<Lynne> bcheng: thanks!
<Lynne> long-term refs were never tested, because I have no samples
<Lynne> were they used anything outside of extremely niche very low bitrate webcam/call streams?
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<durandal_1707> JEEB: did you NG reply?
<JEEB> I briefly noticed. will at last reply tomorrow as I've had other things to take care of today
<JEEB> if it's the not fixed message
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<cone-073> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:f2687a3b691d: avcodec/wmavoice: Avoid unnecessary VLC structure
<bcheng> Lynne: no idea, i was just running stuff through the conformance samples from the spec
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<Lynne> how is the conformance currently like?
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