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<abelloni>
arnd: rmk wants to keep hctosys to have nfs rootfs working
<broonie>
Lots of the test systems rely on nfsroot so breaking that would be a serious problem.
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<abelloni>
this could be solved with an initramfs
<broonie>
At least KernelCI already uses one, dunno about the others.
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<geertu>
abelloni: Lots of things can be solved with an initramfs, but I always boot my nfsroots without one
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<arnd>
why does nfsroot need hctosys?
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<abelloni>
kI guess to keep the filesystem consistent
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<abelloni>
arnd: honnestly, the way forward is to let usersapce set the time from the rtc
<abelloni>
because there is no way for the kernel to know whether userspace is 32 or 64b
<abelloni>
I'll also point out that I explicitely move systohc to kernel/time
<arnd>
abelloni: sure, but as you said, userspace is stubborn and doesn't want to do this, so how would you enforce that? ;-)
<abelloni>
and my plan was to do the same for hctosys
<abelloni>
because honnestly, this is a kernel time issue, not an RTC one ;)
<abelloni>
arnd well, I can remove hctosys and be done
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<arnd>
I suspect torvalds would not take that pull request if you try, that would be the same what I suggested except that it affects everyone rather than only users of broken hardware
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<geertu>
abelloni: Why does setting the RTC depends on userspace being 32 or 64b?
<abelloni>
systemd 32b doesn't like when the time is set after 2038
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<geertu>
abelloni: So what? That's a bug in systemd, to be fixed soon?
<geertu>
Anyway, none of my clocks should be set to my retirement year yet ;-)
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<abelloni>
well, Lennart thinks this is a kernel bug
<abelloni>
I stopped arguing
<abelloni>
he thinks the only use case is pachines with only one RTCs
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