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<microlinux> Well, rpi5 soc would do interesting stuff of non rpi hw. 6 pci 3.0 lanes! No hw enc tho
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<clever___> yeah
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<microlinux> Well, rpi5 soc would do interesting stuff if non rpi hw. 6 pci 3.0 lanes! No hw enc tho
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<microlinux> 6 fucking 3.0 pci lanes
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<microlinux> That's huge
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<clever___> though keep in mind, its 4x + 1x + 1x
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<clever___> 3 different controllers
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<microlinux> Indeed
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<microlinux> Even then....
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<clever___> yeah, it is still a lot
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<microlinux> We would be making wonders with 4x 1x 1x
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<microlinux> But, I bet rpi6 will be out next year or so fixing this issue. It's just to tweak the rpi1 to get 3.0 supported, then, it will only need 1x 3.0 lane and leave the rest for the heavy metal
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<microlinux> I can't breath since I knew this pci stuff about rpi5 soc
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<microlinux> Such a waste
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<clever___> another weird quirk, the RP1 cant function as a pcie slave, until you send it some firmware
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<microlinux> Yeah, it may beed some major rework.. 15 millions just for this chip?
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<microlinux> Insane
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<microlinux> I will not acquire a pi5. But my complain It's mostly the 5v situation
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<microlinux> The pi5 power supply will not exist here in argentina. Too expensive to bring it here
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<clever___> why?
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<clever___> the pi5 can still function on the pi4 supply as well
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<clever___> you just wont have as much to spare for the usb-a ports
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<microlinux> Yeah, ib third world countries... pi PSU do not reach us.
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<clever___> is it an issue with getting the native connector for the wall?
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<microlinux> Well, leepsp didn't push too hard on pi5 with a pi4 psu and had power isssues
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<clever___> no variant for your country?
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<microlinux> Mmmnoo. I need 12v
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<microlinux> Fixed or pd
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<clever___> ah, that end of the issue, no stable AC
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<clever___> for that, i would find a 5v 5a PD car charger
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<clever___> the other solution ive thought about, and it could work on any pi model
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<clever___> a usb-pd hat, that accepts PD at a wide range of voltages, down-regulates to 5, and powers via the gpio header
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<microlinux> Yeah, those a re difficult to find. 5v 3a it's a rarity already
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<microlinux> If I were rpi.. i would rethink the PMIC
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<clever___> i recently discovered, the rtc is in the pmic
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<clever___> which makes me think, the rtc wasnt a planned feature
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<clever___> it was just a free bonus in they found in the PMIC
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<microlinux> What I would love on any sbc it's the gpu load and power consumption.
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<microlinux> I have gpu load on rk3588 rock5b. That's all
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<clever___> the pi5 can report amp numbers for all of its pmic rails
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<microlinux> Indeed
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<microlinux> I would love that on every sbc
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<microlinux> Mostly bc I make content. I need to show that onscreen
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<microlinux> Most PMICs may do it.. vit jot support to do so as today
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<clever___> there is also a theory ive heard, but havent verified
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<microlinux> But no*
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<clever___> a lot of modern switch-mode PSU's, just full-bridge rectifier the AC directly into ~120vdc (ignoring rms for simplicity)
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<clever___> they they switch-mode buck it from 120v to 5v
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<clever___> that implies, you can just ram 12vdc into the 120vac input
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<clever___> but, it will be drawing 10x the amps on the input side
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<microlinux> The lack of hw encoders was a blow. But h264 encoding on cpu may run fine at 720p
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<clever___> i believe they stated, it can do 1080p h264 encoding fully in sw
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<microlinux> Even then.. why dropping hw dec/enc on h264...
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<clever___> but, you will likely be drawing more watts, vs hw h264
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<microlinux> I encoded h264 decently on rk3399 so I believe so
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<clever___> i think part of it, is the blob situation, hw h264 needed blobs
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<clever___> and the arm is now fast enough, that they can say, just sw encode
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<clever___> like they did with vc1/mpeg2 on the pi4
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<microlinux> They made severe trade offs on this rpi5 platform
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<clever___> my investigations hint that the pi4 was able to do hw vc1/mpeg2, but rpf just removed the firmware support
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<microlinux> Off course, the pci stuff is the main one
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<clever___> they have been progressively removing features and responsibility from the blobs
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<microlinux> I will wait for a 12v solution or just pi6.
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<microlinux> Btw, what they made on rpi os is wonderful
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<microlinux> Wayfire + the panel running on pure waylabd
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<clever___> i still need to try wayland out
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<microlinux> In fact, I think a similar thing should be de facto armbian desktop
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<microlinux> I need to try that desktop on non rpi hw
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<microlinux> But as always, it needs tobs of rework
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<microlinux> Rpi devs are very sensitive about that
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<microlinux> They sent one to hell about a generic solution for arm linux
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<microlinux> My main problem with rpi5 it's still the 5v thingy. Let say, one wants to make something affordable.. don't make it 5V5A
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<clever___> yeah
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<microlinux> Then it's the lack of proper decoders/encoder, but that's not a big thing
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<clever___> rpi engineers have said it was due to 2 problems
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<clever___> 1: pcb space
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<clever___> 2: extra waste heat to get rid of
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<clever___> i can see that being a bigger problem if you have a limited supply of power
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<clever___> i would expect hw encode to use far less wattage
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<microlinux> For third countries like mine, that's nighy and day (the 5v thingy)
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<clever___> let me see what amazon might offer...., just as an example
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<microlinux> Ive tried my best PSU and had issues with pi4.
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<clever___> but how stable is that 5v, at full load?
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<microlinux> Well, they never reach third countries
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<microlinux> My best 5v PSU sunk on pi4 OC.
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<microlinux> Not an aggressive OC tho
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<microlinux> Just 2 0
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<microlinux> I have the chance to try beefy PSUs.. normies on third countries do not
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<microlinux> I have similar issues on orange pi4 rk3399 and where very honest back then haha I will not be easy on rpi
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<microlinux> To me 5v only on a beefy sbc it's a call for troubles
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<clever___> about all i can think of, is for somebody to verify the above amazon link works, bulk buy it, and ship 1000 to you for resale
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<clever___> or custom design something similar for your situation
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<microlinux> Yeah, you can hardly believe what retailers send as rpi4/5 power supplies ... chinese potatos
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<microlinux> That's why I call for 12v PD negotiation
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<microlinux> That would make tons of PsU suitable for pi5
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<clever___> so the only real solution i can see, is to either have a 12v PD to 5v PD adapter, or a variable to 5v PD PSU
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<clever___> and to ship them to 3rd-world countries in bulk for resale
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<microlinux> The real solution: make pi5 great again an make it PD negotiate 12v 😓
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<clever___> yeah
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<clever___> whats POE like over there?
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<microlinux> That would make it very easy for third countries
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<microlinux> Let say that they also mention that what they did wasn't 'normal'
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<microlinux> At least they were honest on that hahahaa
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<microlinux> Let me copy paste
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<clever___> there was a long thread on the forums, where some users claimed 5v 5a wasnt in the PD standard, and the engineers pointed to where it is
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<microlinux> Nahh, to lazy to find it. But they mentioned that wasn't a normal thing (to use 5v5A)